. >> what's interesting to me watching that phenomenon, having worked for hillary clinton a long time. she was a very publicly confident person, a very competent person and yet the stereotype, which a the lot of women face, was, that she was a "b" -- you know what i'm going to say but i won't say it -- that you're being out of your place, are you too demanding. it is interesting to see how times have changed a little bit when someone like an elizabeth warren can be confident and confidence and not face the same kinds of attacks that i saw hillary face. >> to be fair, elizabeth warren is in the senate partly because she couldn't get the job she wanted in the obama administration. some of the men there weren't too supportive of her. that's fair to say. this book is important but the problem women face is us, men, are not -- i mean if your company has a board where only 1 of 10 people are women, that's wrong. if your board doesn't have any minorities are wrong. focus again on women's behavior and having them have more confidence is a useful conversation. the bigger question is why are me